This week we sit down with longtime wrestler Tyson Dux for a chat. We talk about how he got into wrestling, his moves up and down the ranks for pro-wrestling from the indy circuit to his time with ROH, TNA and WWE. We also talk about his appearances on Vice’s Dark Side of the Ring including playing Chris Benoit in their most recent episodes. Hope you enjoy the interview as much as we did.

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Welcome to another edition of top rope wrestling Podcast. I am Rick and drew is at his home studio and 30 miles away from you. Yes, you are, you know, this whole social distancing thing. And on the line with us we have Tyson Dukes, I guy that I first recognize seeing his name was at the Cruiserweight

classic that the WWE through what, two or three or four years ago now? so long ago, I think it was that long ago. Tyson, welcome to the show, yo. Well, thank you very much for having me. This is where you guys based out of we’re in the Orlando area Central Florida. Oh, see that Scott. We’re really social this this this this thing? We’re really taking the steps to do the distance thing for I am in Canada, which is not nice distance ourselves. Yeah, that is. That is a huge distance between us. Right, well, you can never be too prepared. You know what I’m saying? Absolutely. No,

So, uh, I just wanted to go ahead and kind of introduce yourself. You know, tell us a little bit about how you got into wrestling actually tell us you know, I was just looking at your bio and looking you up, obviously you’re from Canada. Did you play any sports before getting into wrestling? Or did you just was wrestling your thing? You know, just give us a little bit of background.

My background is I’m a, like a hard working farm kid from East Coast, New Brunswick. So that’s, that’s over in New York. For all the American fans out there listening to this podcast. I am from Canada, small little province

in Canada, and it’s over the top of Boston and all the East Coast states. So I’m just on top of you guys. And growing up in a small little community on a farm. There wasn’t really all that much in the ways of

funding for like stuff like I’ve always I was always interested in playing football could never play football because of funding. I did.

amateur wrestler but in my

last year of school, and I did martial arts as a kid, I was a huge fan of boxing and martial arts and all this stuff, because I’m a kid of the 80s so if you’re a kid in the 80s you love rocky like sly Stallone, you like vandam? Who Played Frank, do you love Schwarzenegger who was in everything? So

I got The Karate Kid.

It kind of went with my genre, right? Exactly. Yeah, I kind of wanted to be the like, I fight guys, so.

And of course, professional wrestling has always been

near and dear to my heart, cuz I’m the age I’m 41. So when I was a young kid, it was the the age of hulkamania. So I’ve always been a huge avid wrestling fan, as long as I can remember even just a small kid. So yeah, just like the normal stuff. And of course I’m from Canada. So we

played a little bit of hockey and we gave that a go, but I wasn’t very good at it. And so, yeah, this is basically, I got started when I was 18. I decided to leave home and pursue the crazy world of professional wrestling. Yeah, I was looking at your bio, and I think you you’ve basically started wrestling when I was in high school, because you started in 97.

Yeah, I did. So you’ve been on? I mean, you’ve been around for close to 30 years. Yeah, I’ve been around 23 years, but it’s been a long it’s been long. It’s been a long time. I’ve been around a long, long time. Who are some of the guys that train you with that? Who are some of the guys that train you?

Like I got the guys that I give the most credit to our joy legend who was just yo and

he’s more of a European flavor like he works a lot in Europe.

Scott Moore who

Is the President of impact. And, of course, Terry Taylor who put the final touches on me because I had a long standing feud with Terry that lasted a year in Windsor, Ontario, Canada, and we do this for a full year and I’ve never gained so much real knowledge of the business in the ways of storytelling and all that stuff and telling integration all stuff as by one Terry Taylor so that’s, that’s basically who I was trained by. I get those three men all my my do right, I give them all the they gave me the exposure that I needed to do what I do

and how did it so obviously, you work your way up and it seemed like you got some decent shots earlier early on in your career because you made some appearances in with WWE and TNA 2002 you know, three or 555 to eight years within your you know, the beginning of your career.

Have those come?

Yeah, see this is when you’re when you’re like the business is saturated now and because of social media you can be a like a top guy with one one clever gift or one clever promo or costume or something like that. It was real work back in like I, I, I’ve spent it now I just went over this the other day I was talking to guys. And my career has now I’ve wrestled in for decades, like I’ve wrestled in the 90s 2000, the 10s and 20s. Right, so I’ve been around for four decades of professional wrestling. So that’s like when it’s a completely different

game, a totally different sport, totally different entertainment than it was when I started in the 90s as it is now in the 2020s.

So these kids can get out there and get recognition at a very, very young age and very quickly and easily.

rate rise, really, really suddenly, with some good pushes and good money and stuff like that. When I started, we had a seven VHS tapes.

The day and age of VHS tapes and I use that to make my own, edit my own and produce my own little videos. And it would just be clips, clips of matching

things that stood out matches and then of course, I would send a like a five to 10 minute match. And I would send it to Tom Prichard who is in charge of creative and hiring people at WWE. And so he he actually said, Hey, if you could get yourself in better shape, I’ll I’ll put you on a show when they come to Toronto, so I just kept sending him more and more tapes. And then when he saw that I had put in enough effort. He He gave me the ball so I could go so my first ever

taping with debbie debbie was that Eric

Cantor center I wrestled sick boy who had just left to WCW it just said close down so I got to wrestle six boy sick boy in a dark match. And then from there I got punched out by the undertaker who was attacking Brock Lesnar with a calf I was cured guy. They got knocked out by Undertaker which is probably the greatest highlight ever. I didn’t know it at the time, but like as I look back on it now in my career, I’m like god damn Undertaker knock me out. It was great. So that’s that’s how I look. back then. That’s how you used to do stuff used to send your tape and then you’d find out when that tape would reach Connecticut. And then once you found out you would call

Tom Prichard you call the number but then you’d you’d have to be strategic. When do I call Tom do I call them morning? Probably not because he’s probably busy with a whole bunch of

things to do things right and then the mail won’t probably come till the afternoon. So

Wait till after lunch so it was quite strategic in getting Tom on the phone and making sure that he saw my stuff and then that he would

take a look at me and stuff like that. And then from there man I did two years I did.

Oh 2204 with WWE without a contract as a freelance guy, but I was there every month. Me and joy Ryan, I think still hold the record for the most amount of dark matches and enhancement matches with the company. We’re still like around 30 plus matches. I did so many matches guys thought I was with a company and and I had my own theme music with WWE. That’s how many matches that I worked and that’s how long I worked there for two years straight.

When you’re when you’re making those tapes to send in to them is it just is it like you cutting promos or is it you showing like matches you’re doing around the area you live in stuff like that. See that? Yeah, that’s a no brainer.

promos I never did any promo work for them. Because it’s like they get they used to get a stack of tapes and you know how big bulky and obnoxious VHS tapes were right? It’s not like a funny story drew and I actually funny story drew and I actually met while working in the tape library. Yeah. No way. Yeah.

You understand what I mean? It’s like being a blockbuster. And being in charge of rewinding all those VHS tapes.

And like, none of these kids that are listening to the thing, have no idea what I’m talking about. They’re like what is blockbuster? But these things used to be like they used to be so big and bulky and stuff like that. So

you want to make sure that if when you sent your tape,

what was told to me is make sure that you don’t do any entrance stuff. You make sure you get right to the work as it’s Tom Prichard we’re talking about and he’s all about the work he’s all about.

Selling is all about aggression is all about the key points of professional wrestling, he doesn’t want to see moonsault he’d rather see a good proper headlock takeover. So that’s what I made sure that it was cut right to when I locked up and that’s where it was. And the little clip tape off the start was always very, very,

very precise and very to the point like just a couple of little, maybe 60 seconds of highlights of matches that I had and you know how much impact the acid is gonna hook up to VCRs how to record it and make sure that it’s time properly. Like it took real effort like nowadays, stuff like that is effortless, then it was not effortless. Oh tape a lot of skill tape. The tape was horrible, especially if you didn’t have any kind of control and stuff like Oh, it was horrible. Oh, the worst, the absolute worst. And then the speeds were off with the tracking was off. God damn


I’m telling you right now it was like, I remember that like I’d be so frustrated and I’d have to go like I went to the hot shop. Because I had nothing like when I started like nothing I just moved to Ontario what’s resident school nearly starved to death. That’s why Tom told me get in shape because I was not in shape. Because wrestling school I had no money I ate out a garbage cans. It was really rough. It’s really bad experience but a good experience now.

Like I had nothing I lost almost 80 pounds from being a big sick farm kid to just being wasting away to nothing. That’s how small I got in the pursuit of this crazy crazy world of professional wrestling. So like to go to the hot shop, grab a VHS player, and then I had one of those combo TV VCR combos little one.

And that’s all I did is I made I made a tape every month. I send them like diligently every month and make sure to I call them on the Monday

So after your you know, after you got your shot with WWE did some work with TNA and I wouldn’t be shocked if I was at at least a couple of those shows, because I’m assuming you recorded here in Orlando where they did most of the stuff, right? I was

was the universal era. Yep, it was.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like when doctors there and stuff like that is Dutch used to be the funniest human being alive. He says shit, they’re all paying to get in. You should let them all in for free and make them to pay to get out. make more money.

That’s the best the best line ever. But yeah, the universe Universal Studios. Yeah. And I was part of Team Canada there. After knee injury. I came back and went right to work in oh five with Team Canada. And it was not a not a great experience. It was like a very much a learning experience and much of a learning curve but

I didn’t make the most of it, that’s for sure being off injury. But it is what it is. It’s neat to have the experience and to be working at

quite a few different places because eventually they did sign me to a contract for two years. And then I only did team international for a little bit, and then I went to Japan, but I still had that sweet, sweet two year visa to do so many promotions in the United States for a long time without being hassled. So it’s great, and you’re open to work other promotions through TNA, right, you can work whenever you want.

Most definitely, most definitely they did. But at that time, they didn’t care they and they knew that I was still trying to build myself and build my own brand anyway, so and they’d rather a guy build his own brand anyway. And I think they were more annoyed like Terry Taylor was working there at the time. And then they let me go

out of my way, let me out of my contract.

But I could keep the visa. So it was supposed to be a two year deal. They had nothing for me because I had a call every time Hey, can I do this show? Hey, I want to be on TV for this. Hey, I’m on this silly show called Kenny versus spending. Is that all right? Or, hey, I’m going to Japan. Is that okay? And then by the time I was going to Japan 401 Terry said, Hey, man, I hate to tell you this, but we’re going to we’re going to let you go. We don’t really have anything creative for you. I’m like, well, that’s fine because I wasn’t down there anyways, they weren’t using me. And it was becoming a bit of a pain yes to call them up anyway to always bother them with Hey, can I do this? Hey, can you do that? So they just let me keep my visa and I just continue to work

through the States and in Japan for a while so it was not a it wasn’t it’s not i’m not saying that it wasn’t a loss because it was it was nice to work there. But it was also not a huge it didn’t affect me. The way it would a lot of guy

I can understand that for sure.

And then I mean you have the other bigger promotion that you at least that has on your bio is that you work to Ring of Honor also and we had we were having a little conversation but we’re gonna monitor previous to this but

he just tell us a little bit about your timing Ring of Honor.

I was in Ring of Honor when it was good.

I’m being a jerk. I was just being I don’t mean that like all the guys that are out there now doing the thing.

Or like, it has nothing to do with the talent has done the new booking has nothing to do with anything. It’s just I was in I was at our wage at our height. You know what I mean? It was run under is booked in worked under Adam Pierce and I’m a huge scrap iron fan like I scrapped that he’s the best for like,

like booking In my opinion, like he was all about professional wrestling. He’s a real avid for like hard, solid wrestling and

So that works really, really well for me and like at the time it had

Edwards and Davey and it had Tyler black, Seth Rollins and just Nigel McGuinness. We had Jerry Lynn omega and Brian Dennison. We had, we had everybody, we had all the top tier, indie guys in the world were at our wage at the time. And I worked there, pretty solid through the Canadian stuff. They were as Adam Pierce was going to put me in angles, they were going to hire me sign me to a contract because they wanted me to feud with Eddie and hunt him down for his TV title. Because I the angle was a lot but only it’s a 10 Minute.

thing like a TV title was it was a 10 minute time limit. I he beat me in like nine, you know 950 and then the next night at a gauntlet Tron

No, I beat him in the first elimination. So things are rolling. And then Adam left the company, because he was trying to fight for more money for the guys, including myself

more money and all this stuff. So at the end of the day, they just, they squashed it. And I was no longer a part of arrow Ah, for quite some time. I did a few shots after that. But it was just it’s very hit or miss. Like my timing there was I get to work with guys like Seth Rollins or Tyler black at the time, who is just starting to get his way he almost he was almost in line for the title when we worked and it was it was a great matchup. That’s one of my favorite ones there. And it worked. Kenny king of work. Who said I worked I worked Eddie Edwards a bunch of times and avari

and just I used to be thrown in stuff like a man tags where I was supposed to

be one of their top guys, which is a really neat little experience it was good at the time it just it just never seemed to pan out the way I wanted it to just because that was all just on the way of politics and not even

remotely me involved in the politics issues. Politics the way they are. Okay, so this is something we kind of throw into every interview that we have. This is the the highs and the lows. What is the best? You’re in your mind the best match you’ve ever had? It doesn’t have to be with anyone famous. It doesn’t have to be with it could just the best match that you ever remember having.

Oh, that’s so hard. You’re talking about 23 years of work. Oh man, cuz, like it depends on

it’s a hard question for a lot of people. So that’s bro that’s so tough because like if I look at my old stuff now, you know, like, I’m my worst critic.

So there’s lots of matches that are really, really liked. But then there’s things about those matches that I would change

in a heartbeat.

One of the one that I always kind of bring up that comes to mind is there’s all there’s, there was one with Johnny gargano. That’s really solid. I really, really liked it out of Toronto. That was one of them. And the other one would have to be against Shawn Spears out of Windsor. It was like one of those matches that was the crowd was into it. It wasn’t a huge crowd. There’s only about 200 people there but the crowd was into it. And we’re just everything was flowing really nice. There was a lot of good

little interactions and stuff like that. So I’ll probably say the one with Shawn Spears is probably one of my damn near close to being one of my favorites. You got me with Shawn Spears fan. I am a big Shawn Spears fan. So we’re good there. Okay, so now we’re gonna go a little low, and not necessarily the worst match you’ve had. But have you ever shown up to an event and been like oh,

What the fuck were they doing? You know like they you show up and like the rings up there or there is no ring or you know at the end of the night you know four people show up and you’re you’re playing to no one basically.

Bro I will give

example I got I got two of them I guess Can I give you two on this one? Absolutely I got okay cuz these are this is like this is one of them is what you’re saying is one of them is a match. The other one is a most definitely one of those scenarios where nothing was going right for the company. I went to a show in Indiana and I don’t know what it is about Indiana but God damn it they love to put on 1000 matches

what it is about Indiana that they need to put on so like it’s not WrestleMania and even WrestleMania gets really boring with all those matches. They could tie that up a lot sooner.

So it was a me and Rhino in Indiana. We got to the show it was the cool like this really cool theater like old school theaters probably built in the early 1900s you know what I mean? Like it had all the all the kind of decorative like designs on the sides and our ceilings and are just a spectacular old building. I’m like, all right, it’s, it’s gonna be all right. And I get in there and I look at the card and it’s three to four Bristol boards long. So there’s a 21 matches

on this show.

It’s supposed to be a charity show and there’s 21 I’ve never in my whole entire life. Been on anything. With that many matches. I never in my life. Have I ever witnessed anything that that’s insane which 2120

21 friggin matches 21 so it’s me versus Congo Kong and where match 13 Rhino who is driving with me is mass Guess what? Guess what mass is? 2120 freakin 121 Oh, we get there. It’s 21 matches me I might 13 lucky number 13 rhinos at 21 I’m like, Okay, well maybe they’ll just keep it like short all the matches go short. Know Me and calling have like 15 minutes to put in. I’m like, well, there’s no way I’m putting 1515 minutes in after they like we should actually have two shows out of when they get to me. I’m not doing that. Let’s just we’ll just give them what the whatever they’re feeling out there. They weren’t feeling anything. Gentlemen. There was 60 people when the show started.

By the time number 13 got out there, there might have been 40. By the time Rhino got out there, there was possibly 25 people stuck around for all these matches. And then the worst part is we get down there. And before we Russell, the promoter comes up and says, Hey, all the money was in a bag. Where’s the bag? Go? I’m like, What do you mean it was in a bag. And he goes, it was in this leather leather bag that I had. It’s like my attache case. It’s in there. And like, you had a whole bunch of money to pay all of us in a bag. And then Rhino says, well, let’s find the bag. And then of course, there is no bag be found because there is no bag. He just he didn’t. He didn’t pay anybody. For Rhino being Rhino says, You know what? You’ll just pay us later. You’ll just get us later. And we’re going to do this show. He says, Well, I don’t have the money. You guys can just go home. He’s like, No, we drove all the way up in Detroit.

We’re coming down here, just pay us later. I’m like running we’re never going to see any of that money. And we’re we’re going to be here to like and we were to over like it was past two o’clock in the morning. By the time Terry got done, and we got out there it was 2am. And it was like the shittiest. And I’ll never go back to Indiana. I’ll never go back there. If I could come to say, just get anywhere else. If I could jump that state, you know, the kilometers to take to get from like, go south, from Detroit and you get to Indiana and then you hop over to Illinois, man, I would jump over it. I don’t want to be there anymore. And I’m sorry anybody that’s from Indiana, but like it’s just a bad taste in my mouth. Being in Indiana. That’s just the way it is. The second thing is an actual match. It was here in Canada. The guys set up the ring. There is the massive crowd of 13 people to 14 people

And that’s a bunch of wrestlers in the crowd as well that finished your match and started watching. I made an event and it was me and the promoter, again, their chant their champ who was babyface. So, midway through the match, we put this match together. The promoter has never been trained a day in his life but always wants to be involved, wants to be a wrestler. So we get this all set up, he comes out.

And he’s going to do this match me inhibitor handicap against the other guy, the babyface, and then the baby face, of course,

is selling and then the guy gets up like he’s going to

punch him and then the baby face picks him up for a DVD. And of course, he puts all his weight in the back of his neck, and the baby face goes down and break his wrist. And he go over, he’s supposed to go over and he breaks his wrist and this kid is

really super good and then really super talented but as a like an extreme hothead. So the moment that he breaks his wrist, he gets up and like straight up shoot rock kicks the promoter in the face, which the promoters jaw and messes up,

like crap out of his face. And then it boils down to me and the baby face because I’m still professional. I’ve been told by the promoter, I was told they face up. I’m trying to put the baby face over and he’s arguing with me with a broken wrist saying, pin me I’m never coming back here again. Pin me pin me now before I kill everybody. And like Dude, like, I’m, that’s not my job. My job is to put you over and we’re actually having a physical argument in there about who was going over and eventually I just, I just put them down. I like I pinned them 123 and got out of the

Bring it he just he walked through his car, he didn’t even grab his stuff. I had to go get his stuff and grab his pay for him.

That’s that’s probably the worst match I’ve ever been a part of. I’ve never ever been one break character in my whole career and that time I did I actually sat on the outside of the ring or not when I was arguing with the baby face. I rolled out of the ring and I just I just looked to the crowd my I don’t I don’t know what to tell you people. I don’t know what to do.

You know, I totally I just lost my eye. I’m so honest to the mic. I don’t know why you guys are here right now. I’m just gonna roll in here and finish this up. And basically I just that was it. And so but the only silver lining in that is that promoter. His wife was so hot because it costs so much to fix his mouth and his teeth. And he was supposed to sell everything and sell us promotion and he sold me his wrestling ring, which I started my wrestling school with. And I got a sweet discount price.

He had to get rid of it immediately.

That’s, that’s a win win situation right there. You got the pin and the ring. You know why it wasn’t a bad day? And the funniest part is, he’s like, I gotta sell my belt. Would you like to buy my belt?

When I got there and I picked up the rig, and I just laughed in his face, I’m like, why would I ever want this? These this crap? Why would I want grab? Like your company’s done? It’s got your, the name of your promotion on the front of it. Why would I need this? So I kind of left them with a little bit of a jab.

It was the best one of the best experiences shittiest experiences but one of the best experiences.

So I had a quick question about your time in TNA. Were you there for Vince Russo’s run and if so, what was that like? Oh, yeah, I was there. I was there during the Vince Russo.

Wouldn’t what would you call it a pandemic epidemic?

I don’t know what you call a Vince Russo.

I don’t know. I don’t know what you call it. I don’t know. I’m not. And I’m not. I just, you know, when, when a guy

Terry Taylor always said it best, what? Like why they have guys that are writing TV for fighting like, that’s why it’s more of a soap now. It says why would you

make hard situations and situations that turned violent and stuff like that? And why would the people writing the stories, be the people that have never been in an altercation in their whole entire life? You don’t I mean, it’s like if he says the writers are the kind of guys that we hire for like a fighting type, episodic TV, that if you shorted them change at a coffee shop, they would just eat, they would just eat it. They would just eat that you took their money from them.

My I guess I’m paying $5 for that coffee instead of two, you know what I mean? And then the next day, but they would never do anything at the time. So he carries

case to say like, I don’t understand why we’re hiring people that have never ever wanted to even have a conflict in their life to write about conflict. And that’s another thing that Vince Russo’s never been in a scrap before in the fight before but he’s just got some like odd odd ideas. And I don’t know I don’t know what it is. I think when you have a like a really great idea and you’ve done something extremely well in your career and you just want to write that Hi. And then you’re like, let’s let’s think outside the box. Well sometimes, maybe stay inside Xbox brother, maybe just say

very No need to get outside box box fine. The box holds stuff inside.

says boss you know you could be in trouble. And that’s that that’s basically it like I the TNA thing run with that whole angle. And I know me being a more of a serious

technical Smash Mouth kind of wrestler guy and less less crazy character base. It was never gonna It was never going to pan out with Russo’s booking and me being there, you know what I mean? It was never gonna be I didn’t ever look at the guy. The like the guy that was a six short guy in black trunks that like to do headlock takeovers and like making a look believable. There’s no way that they’re going to put any kind of money into a guy like, like, you know, shooting fireworks out my ass or doing like, hula hoop routines. You don’t mean absolutely just the way it was. So question.

In your years of doing this, do you prefer doing the heel or the face roll

I you know what I really don’t mind either role, I feel as though I am more comfortable in a heel role only because I still feel as though

the pace should be dictated by the heel, the heel should call most of it, especially during the heat. It’s all up to him to do it all. And this is I’m coming from a traditional

way of thinking right like, heels heels in back in the day like the history lesson. You guys probably know this already. But heels generally are the ones that were always in charge of setting the pace of the match and how it would flow and all that stuff because they called it in ring. And it was all about gaining sympathy for babyface and getting as much heat by the heel as possible. But then again, the heel has to know when the people you got to turn them like you gotta you got to turn it around and have the baby face either have a hope spot or come back and have a big

Shine are a big hot comeback. It’s all up to the heel to decide that and I think that being around a very long time and having the experience of working around so many people,

I got a good grasp of group psychology, I guess you would call it, where I know how how they’re going to react and when to pull the trigger on. Either cutting a big face down or putting them up or making him shine or just giving them a hope and cutting them back down. I’m usually very, very in tune with the crowd. Because I all listen to the crowd. And that’s what I’ll teach a lot of guys that have a lot of experience now. Because they can do Canadian destroyers. They can do all the packs, pile drivers they want. But if they’re not doing at the right time, they’re not getting anything out of it. They’re not getting the full, full reward out of what they’re performing. So I’m always teaching that like if you had a pause and gave it 10 more seconds, you would have had more if you had a drop

that elbow on the kid. And then instead of going for the cover got up and drop two more elbows and then really, you know, drove your form into his face into a pin, it would have looked like it would have gave it so much more of a dynamic that you kind of missed out on. So that’s basically I’m more more in tune to know how the people react. So I’m, I’m better in that, that he’ll roll but as a baby face, baby face roll, I’m not I don’t mind being a baby face either. I don’t mind the 17 all that stuff I like to sell. I’m probably not the greatest sellers in the world. But I do. I do enjoy the idea of like, if I’m getting

my ass handed to me, I’m going to make sure that everything looks

believable as possible. Okay, so we’re gonna fast forward a little bit to current day and something that kind of really made me excited when I found this out. You You basically played the

How can I even put your so you I just found out that you played Crispin wa on the vice series. I found this out a couple hours ago.

I didn’t even know.

Um, but uh, so I absolutely like I adored that. I love the series in general like the whole thing. But uh, the I we watched Ben why watch part two last night? And

you you pulled that off so well because without seeing your face I had like I mean you I obviously know it’s not Chris doing the stuff in the ring and and the shadow You know, there were they play with the shadows and everything else. But that was absolutely phenomenal. How did that happen? How did that come about?

Now that that show is like, let’s put that show over a little bit more that shows brilliant. I friggin love that show. It’s amazing. I love it. You know what I would the best part of it is, is not the fact that it’s wrestling or it’s very likely to get all these cool interviews.

And all this stuff. Yeah, the actual thing that I love about this wrestling is you can be Joe Blow, you can have no interest in professional wrestling at all. You could actually hate pro wrestling. Sit down, have that catch your eye watch for maybe five minutes and be hooked on that series. My so I have to be a wrestling fan. I turned it on yet. I turned it on two days. I turned on Part One Two days ago, because I realized found that it was on YouTube on YouTube. And my wife was sitting next to me literally stopped put down her laptop and started watching. And she’s, I guess this was like three days ago now. And then last night when Part Two came out, like after part one, and she’s like, it’s part two available yet. And I was like no. And then it came out the next day or so. And so we sat down and watch it. And now she’s hooked. She wants to go back and watch all of season one.

Yeah, absolutely brilliant. Those guys.

The producer and Jason’s the director and those kinds of the guys that really spearheaded this whole thing. It was this their baby

They’re creative.

Like it’s their creative power that is driving that whole series that dark side of the ring. And those two are phenomenal. I do not understand how they get people to talk and open up the way they do. I have a blows my mind. Like, here’s the example. So the first season is there’s a pilot the pilot episode is about bruiser Brody. bruiser Brody is a widely famous in our industry by people in our industry, but like to casual fans, or for people that don’t like wrestling, they would have a clue bruiser Brody was think about bruiser Brody that is even more insane his wife after he passed away being stabbed in Puerto Rico, his wife, Barbara goodish hate, and I do mean hates professional wrestling with every fiber of

Being these two guys Jason and Evan, were able to get Barbara goodish to sit down and talk all about professional wrestling and her husband in an interview, which blew my frickin mind. I could not believe that they actually got her to sit down for interviews. I’m like, what kind of voodoo magic Do you human beings have? Get this woman to? Like, honestly, like it just it was completely. I was flabbergasted don’t work forward. I was flabbergasted by the fact that they got this.

But they got her out and they she was willing to sit with them for as long as she did to talk about

big old Brody. And from that pilot episode, the reason that’s such that sticks with me is because I saw it before anybody else I got to see her interviews, because I played Dutchman tell that. That’s the very first I was in the very, very first pilot. Nice. I’m

Dutchman Talon that. So, from Dutchman Intel, they wanted me to play Kerry Von Erich, but I was on tour and I don’t know where it was at the time, but I couldn’t do Kerry Von Erich or the Von Erich one.


like we’ve always had a great report because they film it here in Canada, it’s cheaper to film in in Canada. They have this set up, they know where the ring is. They have a great studio to work with. There’s a phenomenal team of production, people that work here in Canada up in Toronto, that they go through. So they do all their interviews, they travel, they do the interviews, they come back and they they sit down and they put on they put the scenes together, and then they build the set this the stage and the settings and then they put it together like it’s just a it’s a work of art. It really is a brilliant thing. So I got first hired to play Dutch mental on the Bruce Brody thing, just because I’m known well known in in Toronto.

In Canada for wrestling and I had a big beard and they thought, Oh, that’s perfect. We’ll just use him. And then we came together we get along smashingly so they offered me the one role of Von Erich and I couldn’t do it. So the second seasons coming up they know I have a school so they messaged me and said hey, if you got anybody to play these roles for the episodes coming up could you let us know because new Jack’s coming up new jack stories coming out next which is a will blow your mind. Oh, yeah. One of our one of our kind of regulars on the show who’s a ring announcer was actually at that match. When with the whole Oh, God. Yeah. The mass transit. Yeah, the mass transit. Oh, God, that’s, that’s awful. Like, yeah, people will be joining us. I’ll talk about that in a second. But like, so it’s like the like, they get all these they wanted these different roles. So I had a kid that’s in fairly good shape now and suddenly, he kind of looks similar to Ben one. Sorry.

I sent him the his image and his bio and stuff like that, like not he doesn’t really work we we honestly thought we honestly wanted you to play the role. We just didn’t think you wanted to play it. I’m like, Well, no, I like Crispin Juan has always been my guy. He’s been the guy that like got me into wrestling. So when I watch Ben wall work, he’s the guy that I wanted to be when I was starting out in this business. So yeah, I will play Ben while I just didn’t expect you to want me because I got so many tattoos. They’re like, we got people to paint you up. You’ll be fine for it. So which is like Hey Mark, their makeup artists

are unbelievable because you can’t you can’t notice on those because I got a chess piece. I got a full sleeve. I got another three quarter sleeve a mother’s shoulder. You wouldn’t even be able to tell you like I watched it a couple times. And I’m like wow, the work they did on my the makeup is insane to cover that stuff.

flop is beautifully done. So yeah that Yeah, I got to play Ben wha It was supposed to be shot in four days but I had a rustle on the last day so they cramped

my role into three days and they just they worked we worked from seven in the morning till seven or eight o’clock at night it was like it pretty intense and very very hard there’s a lot to it there’s a lot of hard work

I mean I the the whole series blows me away that those two episodes like there were times when I caught myself where I had tears in my eyes you know I could feel I’m like I’m tearing up watching you know, the Eddie Guerrero stuff. I was so good.

The the chocolate part where I travel sorry, write down.

The travel part broke me the travel part when he is describing seeing like being in the bathroom with Eddie and picking him up. And then he said he was there he was there man who’s with me. And then he was it like

That whole part where he breaks a little bit there, it totally got me to I got because

I talked to people from time to time just through, like, throw him a message there every once in a while because I really like I was there to go for and I worked with within the realms of like Chapo and Eddie and Chris and like, I used to be very chummy, I won’t, I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna sit here and say that we’re best friends and then going to be an idiot. But like, I they were work acquaintances, and I was getting to know them very well. And I really enjoyed their company and I feel as though they enjoyed my company. So I talked to Chavo and I just let him know like, My God, man, I just like I know that I sent you. Well wishes and stuff and condolences in the past would do. Like you don’t know until you know, and then when I saw your eyes in that interview, I’m like, God, damn, you broke me. Yes. Like it really. It really got me really hard and I

relived it again when Edie passed, because that was hard on me.

And then, of course, Chris, the whole Chris thing coming to light, and knowing more and more about it is like, it’s like it’s just, it’s a lot. It’s a lot that those are two episodes. That is hard to digest.

In one in two hour, it’s a it’s a hard one. It’s very tough.

So I’m switching gears a little bit. I had some questions about

basically your thoughts on the, like the Performance Center stuff that they’re doing on Ron Smackdown. And how it how do you think that’s affecting the wrestlers like getting zero reaction to their promos and stuff like instantaneously from our crowd or anything like that?

You know what? I got asked this the other day, like I get some old old vets were kind of pissed that they were they were ruining the business.

By not having a live crowd because guys are not working to the ladies. They’re just working to the camera, they’re not working or crowd anymore. So they thought it would that it would, would hurt the business a lot. And yes, it’s not it’s not you need atmosphere, you need crowd reaction and stuff, like a place of silence. It’s not the same as if you have rowdy crazy fans in there. You know, an 80 w show is not an 80 w show unless that is full of their fans that are like 00 enthusiasm for WWE and they support a W through the roof, right, there’s very much a don’t cross the line kind of attitude there. And so, if you don’t have that atmosphere and that energy, it’s hard. It’s not it’s hard to work off this tough to, it’s tough to do. So. But on the other hand, this is what I’m taking, like in a positive way.

I’m not taking it as a negative. The positive way I take it is, I guess it is a little odd to watch when there’s when they’re doing promos. And they’re, you know, you’re supposed to work for reactions, but there is no reactions because there is no people. And I’m a kid of the 80s. So sick on TV with canned laughter live audiences were a big thing to tell you when to laugh or tell you when to be mad or who or whatever. So, because people need to be swayed that way. Unfortunately, you don’t get that chance because it’s mostly just art. Now, it’s more of like a, an art piece, like a monologue piece where you’re just on stage talking, and that is your performance.

But I will say this.

If these guys are out there, and they’re working, and there’s no fan, they have to really, really strict like strictly work both the camera and they have to work each other. So they’re like, it puts a more of a dynamic on the wrestling aspect of it.

would hope that it would be less I haven’t been able to see the products but I would hope that it would be less crazy high spots because you have no people to fuel your your endorphins and your your app to do stuff like that. But I would rather it be more wrestling based.

Like a Daniel Bryan and goo Lockwood thrive in this kind of industry, I would thrive in this kind of industry because it’s kind of like I don’t need a ton of people in there to, to watch my stuff to get my stuff in those kind of moments. So because we I work off the 70s. And so today, it worked off the subtleties in the heart of the grind of pro wrestling. So I hope that in a positive light, it switches to that they make things a little bit more of a gritty, not a gritty style, but just a little bit more focused on the pro wrestling again instead of being the nonsense that is always out there. You don’t I mean? Yeah, and I just wanted to ask

He a little bit kinky. Tell us about your wrestling school.

Yeah, man. Interesting factory here in London, Ontario. I’ve been open for two years, almost three years now. It’s gonna be three years in October. So we’re in the third year coming up.

And it’s been a real, it’s been great. Like I’ve been wanting to do this for a long time. I eventually have to transition. The reason I did it is because I have to transition eventually. Because when the body breaks down, I need to be able to do something. And I’m never going to be the guy that work a normal normal job because I’m older and a lot of my friends are older and I’ve seen them retired. I’ve seen what’s come of them. And it’s I don’t want to be that I’ve always like they’re always

they’re always wondering what it was like like what they’re always living their heyday of wrestling, and they never really leave it and I know I never want to leave rustling anyways, so

I’ve made sure that my future plans and my future business and the way I make my income is through professional wrestling. For the rest of my life, you know whether I’d be just a freelance guy or a contract guy, I’ll always have that school to keep me going and teach the next generation. I’m not saying Keystone. Grails is wrong, and I’m right. But I teach a certain style that is completely missing from Pro Wrestling nowadays, which is the art of actual progress.

Well, we appreciate you joining us. Do you have anything else that you want to plug other than your school? Or actually how they can find your school that works?

Yeah, you know what, the best way to do it is just get online. Just check out my stuff. log on at twice and do do us and oh, it’s

spelled different. But like at noon, on Instagram, or it’s on Twitter, and then on Facebook and all that stuff, and you can find all

myself I tag in school and everything is all super linked in there and then you can just find it through there. It’s really easy to keep my life as easy as possible because we talked about this. I’m a caveman I don’t like technology. And drew you want to go ahead and plug our social media that we don’t keep as simple as we should?

Sure, you can visit us at top rope wrestling comm that’s where you can find all the episodes of our show. We’re available on iTunes. You can also get us at Instagram at top rope wrestling podcast, and I’m gonna let you take it from here, Rick, because this is where I forget. Okay, old man Facebook is also top pro wrestling podcast and Twitter is top rope wrestling without the G because it’s too long and if you want to email us podcast at top rope

Thanks again for joining us, Tyson. Hey, thanks, guys for having me. It was a blast just to chat with you for a bit

talking I hope to talk to you again soon. Yeah, man, hopefully have a good care guys.

You too. Take care. Thanks

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